*SPOILERS* The Book of Boba Fett Discussion

I don't agree. There is a big difference between targeting a niche demographic and attempting to attract the largest possible audience. It makes even more sense to focus on the latter when that niche group is guaranteed to watch it regardless. Everyone who has an issue with this show, minor or monumental, is still definitely watching it.
 
I want to love this show. I do. But from the theme song to the mannerisms. This is not Boba Fett. It just feels like instead of Temuera Morrison playing Boba Fett, we have Boba Fett playing Temuera Morrison. They're just throwing too much of Morrison's culture and personality into this character. Create someone new if you want to do that.
I wanted out of this show what we had in Mandalorian season 1 episode 1. Before Grogu. Deadly. Efficient. Only spoke when necessary. And didn't remove his damn helmet.
They turned Boba Fett into a meat head brute and I just don't know how to feel about it.
It just feels like at any moment, we'll see him remove a skin mask and Jodo Kast is underneath there. Because this isn't the same character we grew to love.
I get the comics and books we loved aren't canon anymore. But they still existed and it hurts to see them be disrespected like this.
 
I view it differently. Disney is all about money and toys and will do whatever it takes to do that, and I agree they will appeal to the biggest audience, Fetts fans will (and have) come second. I actually quite like the toys, as Disney do know how to make toys and the models and helmets are nice, and I have bought all the Black series ones!!

I can't help but think its not "how do we make a great story and keep it true" its "how do we make a story that we can change Boba Fetts outfit to make more toys and Merch, because every Tom Dick and Harry has an OT Boba.

Now we have Boba in a black dress rather than Boba with a Poncho, and we can have helmet on Boba, and Helmet off Boba.

I will watch it regardless as well, hell its costing me £8 a month and I could not give two hoops about the other stuff on Disney+

Looking forward to Episode 3.
 
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I want to love this show. I do. But from the theme song to the mannerisms. This is not Boba Fett. It just feels like instead of Temuera Morrison playing Boba Fett, we have Boba Fett playing Temuera Morrison. They're just throwing too much of Morrison's culture and personality into this character. Create someone new if you want to do that.
I wanted out of this show what we had in Mandalorian season 1 episode 1. Before Grogu. Deadly. Efficient. Only spoke when necessary. And didn't remove his damn helmet.
They turned Boba Fett into a meat head brute and I just don't know how to feel about it.
It just feels like at any moment, we'll see him remove a skin mask and Jodo Kast is underneath there. Because this isn't the same character we grew to love.
I get the comics and books we loved aren't canon anymore. But they still existed and it hurts to see them be disrespected like this.

That's me, I can't get over Tem in a Boba outfit, just feels like an imposter.

If he keeps the helmet on, it will improve the show massively for me and I might forgive some of the other issues.
 
I don't agree. There is a big difference between targeting a niche demographic and attempting to attract the largest possible audience. It makes even more sense to focus on the latter when that niche group is guaranteed to watch it regardless. Everyone who has an issue with this show, minor or monumental, is still definitely watching it.

I think I will honestly always disagree with that, my wife and I even debate this a little bit ha - I think it's a big assumption that targeting a niche demographic won't also attract the largest possible audience. Trying to bring in the biggest possible audience seems to always hurt good quality story telling - there is a reason the LOTR trilogy is popular - Peter Jackson was a massive lover of the books and it was his pet project targeted towards the people that loved the books just like it and guess what, it made a TON of money but there is also a reason why The Hobbit movies aren't are popular, well loved, or as good of story telling and also barely broke even when compared to production costs.

That being said, even I know that enjoys Star Wars but isn't a Boba Fett fan is enjoying the show - over on the Mandalorian Mercs website - it's getting quite lavish praises to the point where most find literally no fault in the show. That being said, I just can't help but think how all these other people have so far been hoodwinked lol. I do hope that Temura becomes and acts more like Boba as the show progresses. The second episode definitely had some great true Boba Fett moments but they are too few and far between for now.
 
I think I will honestly always disagree with that, my wife and I even debate this a little bit ha - I think it's a big assumption that targeting a niche demographic won't also attract the largest possible audience. Trying to bring in the biggest possible audience seems to always hurt good quality story telling - there is a reason the LOTR trilogy is popular - Peter Jackson was a massive lover of the books and it was his pet project targeted towards the people that loved the books just like it and guess what, it made a TON of money but there is also a reason why The Hobbit movies aren't are popular, well loved, or as good of story telling and also barely broke even when compared to production costs.

That being said, even I know that enjoys Star Wars but isn't a Boba Fett fan is enjoying the show - over on the Mandalorian Mercs website - it's getting quite lavish praises to the point where most find literally no fault in the show. That being said, I just can't help but think how all these other people have so far been hoodwinked lol. I do hope that Temura becomes and acts more like Boba as the show progresses. The second episode definitely had some great true Boba Fett moments but they are too few and far between for now.
Risking further derailment, but I will argue the LOTR point. I was one of those who read the trilogy almost every year from 12 to 24 I think? Whatever I was when Fellowship came out. And Jackson's (along with Walsh and Boyens) love for the books is massively apparent, but I honestly don't see how those movies didn't cater to mass audiences over book lovers. Just go on a Tolkien forum and mention Tom Bombadill. I would actually bet they're still lamenting the changes made from the books and probably even wishing the film makers had consulted purists like themselves.

What they did, clearly with monumental success, was interpret the books for a mainstream audience. The lore and intense immersion is a big selling point, but as Jackson stated the book, as written, is unfilmable. They still had to make movies with character arcs that, in some cases, were wholly fabricated. A lot of it is in line with the versions in the books but Faramir is pretty different and Arwen, I mean... If you know the books at all... Also some of the twists and turns with Sam, obviously the scouring of the Shire, etc etc. Motivations were altered, structure changed, characters merged or omitted, dialogue taken from one and given to another and so on. Again, I'm sure there is a Tolkien forum with purists condemning the films for these and other reasons.

That said, I love the movies. To me they're the only perfect trilogy and some days they're a wonderful comfort watch. I love the BTS stuff too (in a different way but almost as much as the movies themselves) and it's what got me to buy multiple editions as well. I couldn't tell you what was added to the theatrical versions because I haven't seen them in almost twenty years. I appreciate what was changed and added and get the motivation behind those decisions. They found a wonderful balance between staying true to the spirit of the book and showcasing what broad audiences can love about the world they were set in.

The Hobbit, I think the biggest reason is the studio forcing it to be three movies rather than two. Rushing through designs and hastily done digital effects didn't help either, but the artificially inflated plot feels, to me, the root of all its issues.
 
Something else that has occurred to me recently - Dave Filoni, despite being a Star Wars "mega fan" (I'm not convinced personally) is predominantly a huge fan of The Prequels and obviously was instrumental in the Clone Wars cartoons. Remembering this makes a lot more sense in reconciling Boba's portrayal so far. It's entirely believable that, rather than trying to expand on the character of Boba Fett we all fell in love with from the OT, Filoni is trying to build on the frankly abysmal origin story set out in the prequels, as well as his own depiction of Boba throughout the cartoons. That's also a reason it's going down so well with a majority of viewers in my opinion - to them (an entire generation of kids who grew up with the PT) this is their version of Boba and they're over the moon with it.
 
Something else that has occurred to me recently - Dave Filoni, despite being a Star Wars "mega fan" (I'm not convinced personally) is predominantly a huge fan of The Prequels and obviously was instrumental in the Clone Wars cartoons. Remembering this makes a lot more sense in reconciling Boba's portrayal so far. It's entirely believable that, rather than trying to expand on the character of Boba Fett we all fell in love with from the OT, Filoni is trying to build on the frankly abysmal origin story set out in the prequels, as well as his own depiction of Boba throughout the cartoons. That's also a reason it's going down so well with a majority of viewers in my opinion - to them (an entire generation of kids who grew up with the PT) this is their version of Boba and they're over the moon with it.
That makes total sense.

One thing I found really funny was in the BTS episode they did on Mandalorian season 2 (ONE episode. Season one got 8, then the season where they have Boba Fett come back, I was so ready for most of one episode to be about him, but nooooooo....) you see a moment where they're filming what ended up being a deleted scene of Boba coming down the ramp of Slave 1 and meeting Carl Weathers before Din asks Cara for help, setting up the next episode. But Dave, Jon, and Temuerra to some degree discuss how Boba held his rifle in ESB and it seemed like they intended to have him do it again for that scene. It made me appreciate that they ARE actually paying attention to little things like that. Unfortunately, they also go on to blow that off for the next episode and onward. :)
 
I'd also agree that we're getting the PT and CW Boba Fett arc, as opposed to a direct continuation of ESB/ROTJ. I still don't care for the PT at all, but have grown deeply appreciative of the animated series content. That perspective continues to soften my feelings about BoBF.
 
I think the issue is that we still haven't seen much action with the "current" Fett. I mean...he hasn't even shot his blaster yet...maybe the new nerf gun is a tease we'll see it in action soon!
 
For me… Episode 3, in one word.
“Finally”
Lol

I feel like Anakin Skywalker, overjoyed to see a camp of dead tuskans and an end to those flashbacks lol

Loved that 75% of the episode was current fett.
Loved danny trujillo in star wars now.
Thought the speeder chase scene cgi was hoooorrible, and actually made it the 'hot rod' speeder cycles look like they were moving as fast as an old man with a walker...., but I don’t care. It was just nice to be done with the gd cringe worthy ROTJ-wannabe flashbacks.

Rolled my eyes when they went to see the mayor, who was conspiring against them, is aligning against them with the pikes.. right after a failed assassination attempt on fett… and when fennic threatens the assistant mayor, Boba tells her “that was a bit heavy handed.” Are you kidding me?? Maybe he's turning Amish. lol
That was out of character cringe.

But aside from that one eye roller, finally decently happy with an episode. Just wish he’d stop taking his danged helmet off in the middle of dealing with baddies, to talk to them without his helmet, in a scene when he would WANT to be imposing.
Honestly... I really wish that he'd keep his helmet on during moments it's OBVIOUS he needs to be intimidating and assert his presence.
But at least I enjoyed this episode better than the previous 2 piles of poodoo. But then again, my expectations were so gd low after the first 2. It's like saying I liked Terminator 4 waaay better than Terminator 3. lol
 
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At this point, I honestly think there might be something wrong with ME. Because episode 3 was just not good. Fett did nothing in this episode again and gets bailed out in confrontations. Again. I really can't tell if this show just isn't good or I'm the problem. Because I know I'll see reviews for this episode in a few hours giving it an 8/10 or better praising it for how amazing and intense it was. Somehow fennec, two gamorrean guards, and four moped riders dont notice a giant ass wookie make his way into Fett's chambers. Black krrsantan falls into the rancor pit after simultaneously and suddenly getting jumped by 7 people at once then let go seconds later. Like what was the purpose of the hutts in this show? Introduced and then written out right away. The hutts literally served no purpose to ever being in this show and given all that to the mayor.
That and the prequel background humor thrown in. Like the protocol droid stuck in traffic or the frog creature eating something else.
This show is just all over the place and sure rancors are cool. But you bet your ass we're gonna have a whole episode dedicated to Fett training this thing. So that'll make 4 episodes. Out of 7. We are 3 episodes into a show named "The Book of Boba Fett" and somehow with the 5 minutes of screentime he had in ESB, he fired his ee3 more times than present fett has in BoBF.
If you enjoyed the episode, I'm actually asking you to explain what you thought was positive about it. Maybe I'm just missing something here. Because as of now. This show is a high 2/10 or low 3/10 for me. I'm just waiting for a scene to make me stupid smile from excitement. Something I thought I'd be doing the entire runtime of the season when this show was first announced.
 
Yeah the sounds about right. It's not BAD by any means all together - but it just isn't geared first and foremost to the people that live and breath it. If you are going to make a show about one specific character - you really need to invest the time in making sure you do it justice for the people that love that character, in my opinion. If the giant mega fans love the great story you tell with that character - I would say there is almost a 100% chance that it will get good ratings with everyone else as well.
I see your point, but I tend to disagree. Mostly because of what I've seen here in different threads in the comments: Where did that 1 knee armor part go, why isn't his jetpack a different color, Boba Fett did this and that in that particular comic. In all honesty I never read a lot of comics, but I really liked Shadows of the Empire. But comments as 'Boba isn't who he was in the OT' don't hold up from a cinematographical standpoint.

We saw him for 6 minutes. The prequels showed more (like it or not). Comments about inconsistencies, especially related to the costume, in comparison to the OT are just not fair; 6 minutes of screen time.... about 6 actors and 2 completely different outfits. Including added scenes where helmets shift in one scene. I still believe that it's just 1 suit from ESB to ROTJ. Same as with Vader. It's a production change... like the Klingons in Star Trek. Nothing more. See what happened when they tried to explain that in Enterprise. Doesn't work.

All we have is this: Prequels which setup the background, an OT where Boba looks cool, brings Han to Jabba and then falls stupidly into a pit in the sand. I'd say there's quite a bit of a blank slate there to work with.

I don't think good story telling starts with fan serving a niche within the fandom, who made up there completely own version (fueled by comics and books) of the character in their head, which they then started to revere. (I am exactly like that, but I like the new show).

I saw Boba as a badass, but not perse a bad guy. I liked how the Mandalorian showed what I think could have been Boba Fett. 'The way' sort off speak. An honorable character. I was also afraid that BoBF would be a rinse and repeat of Mandalorian. I'm glad it isn' t :) It feels different.
 
That's me, I can't get over Tem in a Boba outfit, just feels like an imposter.

If he keeps the helmet on, it will improve the show massively for me and I might forgive some of the other issues.
Maybe time to see Daniel Logan as Fett he is the True Fett after all...
From a certain point of view

Back in the past...StarTrek Fans suffered a similar set of issues with extended universes comics toys etc..
They were just as vocal but pre Internet they had to use the power of the pen and wrote into various SyFi magazines and Fan Clubs of the time..
Look at All the recent issues with DC and Marvel changing characters to suit a modern audience...
Its not by any means a new trait.. Every generation will change twist embellish a story to make it seem relevant and first and foremost profitable...
They don't make these things out the goodness of their own heart..

I think the show is chugging along nicely and don't forget its only been two shows in, three as off today
Comparing it to a recent resurrection which I cannot believe how bad it was..TBOBF is Awesome in comparison.

Right thats me off here for the day to avoid Spoilers as things got in the way earlier so I cant watch Ep3 till tonight.

Mott
 
Man. Chapter 3 first impression was not good.

What a potential waste of the Hutt/BK story and fight! That should have been so much more drawn out and better. Plus they made it seem like they didn’t really know each other?

This chapter made the show seem cheap to me. It’s not near the quality or realness of The Mandalorian. It feels like a cartoon.

Rodriguez has hyped it up so much and now we’re almost halfway done and it is mostly garbage. At least Fett finally used his jetpack?

I’ll watch it again later and see if it changes my mind, but man they make Fett seem lame.

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So many things I did not like whatsoever in this episode.

The gangs Vespa looking speeder scooters?! Did not fit the universe at all, this punk group didnt either.
The wookie battle with Boba, you hear his back and legs crunching, then he just runs in? Cant have your main be injured or paralyzed.
The fight scenes are so lackluster, I agree the Mandolorian was more Fett than Fett is.

Something Ive wondered since the Mando, can someone tell me whats wrong with Boba's helmet? It just doesnt have the same dimensional feel as it should.

I dont believe the hype. I think Favreau and Filoni botched it so far.
 
If you enjoyed the episode, I'm actually asking you to explain what you thought was positive about it. Maybe I'm just missing something here. Because as of now. This show is a high 2/10 or low 3/10 for me. I'm just waiting for a scene to make me stupid smile from excitement. Something I thought I'd be doing the entire runtime of the season when this show was first announced.
I think its because I so completely hated the previous 2, that even the slightest improvement felt like a relief. There were still so many glaringly 'wtf' things about Ep3... but it was all overshadowed by the fact that there would be no more tuskan flashbacks, honestly. LOLOLOL
 
Fett has no respect. Just about sums it up.

Made BK out to be a chump. God the potential.
The Mods on mopeds where embarrassing, really bad special effects and sh1te characters. More toys.
Poor Tuskens, oh well onwards and upwards.
The Rancor has been humanised
The huts just said we tried to kill you. Ahhh sorry about that.

Please no more Boba in his nightie or pants.

It’s getting to be like a Saturday morning kids program, What are they doing to poor old Boba Fett.
 
So many things I did not like whatsoever in this episode.

The gangs Vespa looking speeder scooters?! Did not fit the universe at all, this punk group didnt either.
The wookie battle with Boba, you hear his back and legs crunching, then he just runs in? Cant have your main be injured or paralyzed.
The fight scenes are so lackluster, I agree the Mandolorian was more Fett than Fett is.

Something Ive wondered since the Mando, can someone tell me whats wrong with Boba's helmet? It just doesnt have the same dimensional feel as it should.

I dont believe the hype. I think Favreau and Filoni botched it so far.
LOL@the scooters.
I thought it was absolutely hilarious that they looked so out of place. Shiny metallic hot rods, like supe'd up nissan civics... in mos espa looked so out of place, then to top it off, they made them look like they moved at a crawl. No sense of speed to how they were made with cgi
 
LOL@the scooters.
I thought it was absolutely hilarious that they looked so out of place. Shiny metallic hot rods, like supe'd up nissan civics... in mos espa looked so out of place, then to top it off, they made them look like they moved at a crawl. No sense of speed to how they were made with cgi
Yea the CGI work is getting rushed and the lighting is getting rushed.

If you watch the scene where Boba releases the wookie and he runs off, the cut to a pull out shot and the wookie runs off to the lower right corner of the frame, you can see him slow down and almost stop before the cut, knowing he is running out of space on the volume stage and theres probably crew and gear right there. Editor should have cut a few frames before. Took me out of the scene.
 
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