ZeroVisibilite
Hunter
I think it is unfortunate that you have such a negative view of TDH and I guess everyone's experience varies, but I would argue here, you are seeing at least one old-timer, in agreement with what you are saying in principle. I can't apply it directly to situation, only because right now it is a he said - she said issue, where one is saying this is a recreation and the other is saying this is a rework of an existing creation. I agree that in this hobby (not just this board) there is a general turning a blind eye to underhandedness when someone is making something others wants. However, I will be the first to say that if this is as you say, a rework of an existing work, and permission can't be attained, it should be abandoned. I am not the law, but there is an opinion that has nothing to do with post count or me wanting something.
While you are making good points, some of the snide comments and jabs aren't helping your argument...
I don't have a negative view of TDH. It is the first forum I started with and I love it. I don't like the fact that when 2 adults have a conversation everybody that gets involved has something to say about a technical conversation that always end in a "I want it for cheaper, or free" who cares how it came to life.
I understand that everybody is entitled to their opinions in open forum but this is not a matter of opinion. this is a matter of fact. the model he used is not his, he lays claim to it. Led people to believe it was his and in fact it was not. It's not like I asked him to change the color of the model because I didn't like it. I wasn't even aggressive with my first post. I simply was offering some advice on handling a touchy issue with people that aren't so kind when it comes to this kind of thing.
Nyx Mandalore under your rational all comments should be made in PM form so people do not have to be exposed to reality as long as the dirty work is done behind closed doors the forum will benifit from the work of one.This model is in fact (At this point) stolen. And if you don't care and I'm sure others don't then why get involved.
Art however does seam to care about the bottom of this therefore his opinion is relevant and pertinent to the conversation.
I can in fact show his wireframe picture overlaid the original model and it does match line for line curve for curve vertex for vertex. I have not done this because I was giving Skip the opportunity to contact the original modeler and let him know what was up (As stated in my first post). I overlaid the model before I even posted the first post so I was sure my facts were correct. And again I wasn't aggressive at all to begin with.It seams the problem with not reading the whole post is that we end up in this situation where the original goal is lost and it then (only after a slew of irrelevant posts) turns into an obnoxious attack of one party or a group. Seams this has happened quite a few times in the last couple months again always ending in a ban or a locked topic. This is not my goal. I would like Skip to continue what he is doing. I only wanted him to know that, Before it was to late, he should contact the origional artist. I make models to use as ref for scaling and the likes all the time.
Some of you have received models from me that i have made or received. I always ask before I use a ref pic or measure something from a hard copy of someones work. if they say no then I find a different ref. If they say yes then I post a thanks to that person when the project is complete. Sometimes depending on there involvement I send a finished part to them so they can see there object in reality. But that's just what I do. I don't expect people to do the same in that area. It is a matter of personal respect.
What I do take issue with is if someone claims work that is not theirs. Bottom line
I bet if someone grabbed Allen's(WOF) helmet templates and was selling them on e-bay there would be a big deal about it. even if the work was coming in the form a scaled templates not just a PDF. Heck there was even a topic about another forum linking to TDH pages to give them out.
I used his tempates to make my daughters Fett stuff and refuse to sell even the original because of it.
And I will tell you another thing. If I offer something for free and someone make $$$ off of it you can bet the next time I send it out(if there is a next time) its gonna cost. Just like what happened to Skip when his stuff popped up on e-bay. Now he charges.
You want frees stuff. I can cast any FP part or Fang helmet and mail them free of charge, doesn't make it OK just makes it free. That was sarcasm I have no intentions of recasting anyone's stuff. don't flood my inbox
enough said, I feel it has been beaten to a pulp If anyone wants to see the overlay I will post it. If noone cares then go back to sleep and dont lend another thought to where the free stuff comes from.